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With the Andrea Yates decision interrupting our scheduled discussion, me, {idiot}, and my friend from the Religious Right, {RR}, had to jump right into this one.

idiot: You've heard the verdict: Not guilty by reason of insanity. What's your reaction?

RR: Let me try to keep this a PG interview. It was the single worst, most deplorable, unspeakably wrong decision I have ever seen.

idiot: Based on the evidence, if you were a juror, you would have found her guilty?

RR: They DID find her guilty, at the first trial! Then they somehow managed to get that thrown out and re-try her.

idiot: As a matter of law, when a witness lies, it is grounds for a mistrial.

RR: As a matter of law, she CONFESSED! Doesn't that mean anything?

idiot: The court ruled she was mentally unfit to make that confession.

RR: Yeah, she was insane. Insane enough to wait till her husband left for work. Insane enough to fill a bathtub full of water, take each one of her own children, and drown them by her own hand. Yeah, I'd say she was insane.

idiot: The jury believed she was insane when she did all that.

RR: Any lawyer can pay some quack Dr. to say whatever they want. What'd she have post-pardum depression? My wife was gloomy for a few days after giving birth, she didn't go around killing anybody.

idiot: Records showed, 1} A family history of mental illness. 2} Medical reports that she was treated for depression, bipolar disorder, psychosis, and schizophrenia. 3} She had several instances of hallucinations, and two suicide attempts. 4} She was taking, at different times, zoloft, zyprexa, haldol, ativan and risperdol.

RR: SO WHAT? The point is, SHE KILLED HER OWN KIDS! If the law says that's okay, there's something wrong with the law.

idiot: What about Dr. Saeed, Michael Woroniecki, and her husband?

RR: That's your answer? Blame everybody else? What exactly did they do that was worse than DROWNING YOUR OWN CHILDREN?

idiot: Dr. Saeed claimed Yates' files were all messed up, and that's why he didn't have her committed. Woroniecki was their Pastor-

RR: Wait a minute... Your saying she went to church?

idiot: She was very religious. She grew up a Catholic, then, when she got married, went to Woroniecki's church.

RR: So now you're gonna blame the church for what she did?

idiot: This pastor told her Catholics were going to hell. As a woman, she was a Daughter of Eve, who he called a witch. And, he told her that if she was going to hell, she would be responsible for her kids going to hell too.

RR: What? Where is this guy?

idiot: He fled to avoid prosecution.

RR: hhh...okay, what about her husband, what did he do?

idiot: It's what he DIDN'T do: He was instructed not to leave her alone, for any reason, just two days before it happened.

RR: So...well, maybe other people didn't help the situation, but still, those were her hands holding those kids under water. That doesn't get her off the hook. She should fry.

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Posted by idiot at 11:40 PM - 10 Comments   Add a Comment  
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I still think she ought to of recieved some sort of punishment-and those three men where idiots....um...'scuse the name...idiot...'cause....you're ...you get the drift...anyways.

I think she shouldn't have had children after the first if they saw all these issues. How could people let those children stay in the house, let alone in the area as that....monster?

I hope she stays in a padded room.


Sorry- I have post-partum depression, and I'm taking Zoloft, and counseling. When my newborn makes me so upset I want to hurt him, I call someone for help. The husband KNEW there was danger.

Ugh, all three of those men are dolts.
 
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by Stephanie (PM , CC ) on Thursday July 27, 2006 @ 1:30 AM




Stephanie, you're right. She will probably be locked away for a long, long, time. I think that's what many people forget. They hear "not guilty", and assume she'll be out walking the streets. I can assure you, that's not gonna happen. Still, this was a terrible, horrible, unspeakable act.  
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by idiot (PM , CC ) on Thursday July 27, 2006 @ 4:38 PM




"She will probably be locked away for a long, long, time."

Operative word there is 'probably'. From what I've been watching, she could possibly be declared 'cured and stabile' by another "specialist" just like the one that blew it the first time...and be out 'producing' again.

Then I heard that she would have to serve at least 40 years, which would put her beyond child-bearing years....so it makes it 'ok'. grrrr

Either way, there is no time long enough to pay for that horrible deed. That is like a serial killer that did all her killings in one day. They didn't let the REST of them off with an insanity plea.

And they say 'abortion' is horrible! humph
 
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by Nancy (PM , CC ) on Friday July 28, 2006 @ 11:49 AM




Nancy, I don't think the system has figured out the right way to handle situations this horrendously terrible. If I were Emperor, I would have her executed, as well as the Dr., Pastor, and husband. I would also change the law so that if a parent is found to be mentally unstable, her children must be removed until a PANEL of psychiatrists deems her, "safe."  
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by idiot (PM , CC ) on Friday July 28, 2006 @ 1:50 PM




I agree with that last comment!!! ^^^^^

 
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by Life is Peachy (PM , CC ) on Saturday July 29, 2006 @ 1:21 PM




I agree with aaarrrgh!...  
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by idiot (PM , CC ) on Saturday July 29, 2006 @ 1:38 PM




I beleave that anyone with her degree of mental illness should never be out of a mental hospital.I do think she was very sick when she did this horriable unspeakable crime.I think her family should have seen signs that she was very sick,and I am sure they did but just never could have dreamed she would do what she did.When a person is as sick as what I know she was there are many signs that they need help.Her husband ,her family,should have got help for her but it is very hard to get help for the mentally disturbed in this day and age most people dont try or if they do the hospital releases them in a few days,but if they really work at it they can prove to the court that they are a danger to themself or others,the court will put them away until they are stable.I really dont think she should ever be out of a mental hospital...  
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by mothernature (PM , CC ) on Sunday July 30, 2006 @ 7:33 PM




Mother, You are quite right. She should, and probably will, never get out. The system is definitely flawed; I hate it when the state comes in, and takes kids away from their parents; but in cases where severe mental health problems exist, those kids should have been gone.  
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by idiot (PM , CC ) on Sunday July 30, 2006 @ 9:37 PM




question for you both: is there a statute of limitations on post-partal depression? we have a son who keeps doing stupid stuff and is now in his mid twenty's. seems like he calls every month or so for money to cover rent, food, utilities, bail, whatever.

if we moved to Harris County (Houston), invited him over for dinner and...

RR, would we be exonerated under his violation of Gods' honor thy father and mother law?
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Wednesday August 2, 2006 @ 4:24 PM




I think thats just more your son knows you'll give him money. Do what my dad did-told me he had no cash and best of luck to me. PUts things into focus.  
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by Stephanie (PM , CC ) on Thursday August 3, 2006 @ 10:45 PM


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
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