Back for round two of the discussion between me, {idiot}, and my friend from the Religious Right, {RR}, on the salvation plan from the Book of Romans: idiot: Well, the first part of this discussion didn't go so well. What's next? RR: Next is Romans 5:8, which says: "But God demonstrates His love toward us, in that, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." idiot: That sounds a little more encouraging. Last time you said I was going to hell because I was
born that way. RR: By "that way", I meant born in sin. idiot: Yeah, I got that. Now you're saying Christ died for me. RR: Yes. idiot: I know about the crucifixion thing, but what does that have to do with me? I wasn't around when that happened. RR: It has everything to do with you. Jesus paid the price for your sins on the cross. idiot: Great! So, I'm not going to hell after all. RR: God opened a door, so that you have a chance to escape the punishment you deserve. idiot: I DESERVE? WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE BURNING IN FIRE FOR EVER AND EVER? RR: Hey, calm down...You're the one who's supposed to be objective, remember? idiot: hhh...okay. But, you're telling me I'm going to hell, just for being born. Then you say, God threw in an escape clause, by having Jesus die for my sins. What if I never sinned? I never asked Jesus to die, ya gonna blame me for that too? RR: I'm not "blaming" anyone. I'm just telling you what the Bible says. And the Bible says, "All have sinned." idiot: All...So, I guess that means you, too. RR: Yep, me too. That's why I'm so thankful that God gave His Son to die for MY sins, too. Commercial break.
Yes, I think the whole Bible is good to have read, but Proverbs is a great place to take notes. Check out a verse or two, because the Bible is non-denominational. And Jesus wasn't Catholic either.
Seriously, I think your opinion to be really, REALLY, badly, horribly flawed.
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Idiot: Thanks for visiting my site. I am concerned for you given most who visit feel ablidged to hammer me about my point of view. You must truly be an idiot since you said such kind things. By the way, is there a membership card that I can get in order to be a certified idiot?
"idiot: I DESERVE? WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE BURNING IN FIRE FOR EVER AND EVER?"
Exactly, for being born and not knowing because maybe nobody cared to tell you, or because you are not satisfied with the explanations out there, you burn. Orthodoxy, wow.
Did you know that the Orthodox traditions established during the time of Saul (later Paul) are all Pagan? Did you know the Immaculate Conception of Jesus is in fact a very common assertion that was made for many pagan Gods that Saul previously admired? Did you know that December 25th had a pagan meaning that needed to be a part of Christianity? Did you know the Christmas tree was previously a conifer that was worshipped and where women were sacrificed to....to keep the tree gods happy? That is why we still put gifts under the tree and bring the tree indoors....since we don't kill women in the name of Christ on the hillside.
idiot, your posts are thought-provoking.