Because our dialogue about the Roman Road got so contentious, me, {idiot}, and my friend from the Religious Right, {RR}, decided to switch gears, and bring up the issue of gay marriage, we will conclude the Roman Road shortly:
idiot: With the elections getting closer, there are other issues besides the conflicts in Iraq and Israel. Can you give us your take on gay marriage?
RR: Be glad to. We need to pass legislation that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
idiot: Why?
RR: Because homosexual relations is a sin. That's clearly what the Bible says.
idiot: A lot of people would say you're just condemning people whose lifestyle you don't agree with.
RR: I understand the small minority of people who don't accept our view, but this is a moral imperative. It's absolutely vital that our nation return to traditional family values.
idiot: When you talk about a "moral imperative", aren't you just reacting to certain legislation on the state level? One problem I have about this, is states have always decided their own laws concerning marriage. Different ages of consent, some have different laws about cousins, that sort of thing.
RR: This is not a state issue, it is national. For instance, if two guys get married in Mass., I don't want my tax dollars giving them the same status for national things, like tax deductions, Medicare, and the like.
idiot: So, now you're saying it's an economic issue?
RR: No, not at all! I'm saying gay marriage doesn't just affect Mass., it affects the whole country. More than anything else, it's a MORAL issue.
idiot: But aren't you still discriminating against people just because of their lifestyle?
RR: Would you be discriminating if your neighbors turned out to be cannibals? Isn't that just their "lifestyle?"
idiot: That analogy is just stupid. Whatever a gay couple does is just between themselves. Cannibals? Isn't that just a little over the top?
RR: Just trying to make a point. The bottom line is, homosexuality is a sin. That's not my view, it's all throughout the Bible. From the writings of Paul, all the way back to Moses and the laws.
idiot: So, Moses didn't like homosexuality, and everyone else followed his lead?
RR: NO, NOT AT ALL! Moses received the law directly from God. Everything written in the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, is God's word. Besides, homosexuality was a sin long before Moses' time.
idiot: How's that?
RR: Haven't you ever heard of the story of Lot? He lived in Sodom, That's where we get the word, "sodomy" from. When the sinful mob from Sodom came to Lot's house and demanded Lot to bring out the two messengers, so they could have sex with them, Lot offered his two virgin daughters instead. THAT'S how much of an abomination homosexuality is.
idiot: WHAT? A father was gonna give an angry crowd HIS OWN DAUGHTERS TO BE RAPED?
RR: Calm down, it didn't happen. The messengers persuaded Lot not to let his daughters go out. God protected Lot's house, and no one got hurt.
idiot: I'm sorry, I just can't get passed that. No way, no matter what, would I ever let my daughters get raped, let alone OFFER THEM UP!
RR: Can't you see, that's how horrendously evil homosexuality is to God?
idiot: You talk about traditional family values. If I had to choose between my daughters getting raped, or having a gay couple live next door...no contest.
RR: You're missing the point entirely. If you just take off your rose colored glasses for a minute, you'd see. The way you reacted to the daughters getting raped? That's how outraged God reacts to homosexuality.
idiot: That's just plain stupid. You can't possibly compare...I just can't possibly compare...I would never, ever, WANT my own daughters to get raped.
RR: You've made my point. We are ALL God's children. He doesn't want ANYONE abused, sexually, or otherwise.
idiot: I'm starting to not like your God very much. What happened to the God of love, and forgiveness?
RR: God IS Love. But you're forgetting that God is also Holy. And sin, ANY sin, only keeps us away from Him.
Commercial break.
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Just a small comment, I agree that it should be man and woman marriges just. BUT saying that homosexuality i snot correct or is sin it NEVER means to judge those people, I think its sickness and there are some help... why we DO judge people.... GOD is judging sin but not sinner....
I think that story has deeper value as just offering daughters... this is story to show how much he valued the man of god that he wanted to protact him
Further on i can see that GOD didn't allowe it... so he must be a loving one tooooo
Keep on posting it's a nice blog
I actually ride the fence a little on this issue. I don't think we need to define marriage as between a man and a woman in the constitution - just a waste of time. I don't think that gays are "losing out" by not being recognized as married by law. There are really very few issues that come into play here. You mentioned tax cuts, but it's actually better NOT to be married if both partners work.
So, ultimately, I see this as a very unimportant issue and I'm happy to let the states deal with it as they see fit. What does upset me is how it is used by our federal government to whip up the base
Homosexuality is not something that can be 'cured', or beaten out of a person. It is the same as having blue or brown eyes--a matter of genetics, the mixing of X & Y.
Legal marriage should always be between TWO people, founded in love and dedicated to the family. I can't understand why people find that worse than poligamists forcing themselves on young girls, (in the name of religion) just because it is about 'same sex', rather than male/female.
And it IS the typical political ploy of playing to the conservative religious right that brings this dog & pony show around every election time. If you don't think politics had a whole lot to do with the writing of the Bible, PLEASE, think again. IMO, of course!
End of rant.
Today I read about a 21 year old man who was picked up for sexually abusing a 6 year old boy he was babysitting--multiple times over the last 4 months.
Yesterday, I read about a 50 year old man who sexually abused and killed a 5 year old girl.
Now, I know neither of those incidents are about consenting adults, but my point is, REALLY is one more gross than the other, aside from the killing? Is a homosexual predator 'worse' than a 'straight' one?
IMO, a lot of the homophobia and 'gross out' that goes around comes from the way people are brought up. A closed mind family often produces generations of the same, much like religious outlooks.
I don't like the idea of legislation,
on behalf of the Bible. I don't take
the Bible literally, and I certainly
don't see God's name on the binding. If
is, he's got some bigtime royalties coming!
What people do in their personal lives is
nobody else's business. Every citizen, no
matter their life style, deserves the same
rights and benefits guaranteed by the Constitution.
"all men are created equal." to me, that trumps
the Bible.
The example of Lot is a weak case. Let's take it to
court. I'll be the defense.
All people have the same rights, and are entitled to
"life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
Great argument, good blog,
beautiful day, no fog!
Joe
Joe you sly devil, you.